Comments on: The 92 Year Old Criminal http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:49:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: thorn http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-76122 thorn Thu, 29 May 2008 12:57:56 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-76122 I cannot speak for others... but i dont hate cops, Curt. I hate thin blue lines, cover ups. I hate the mentality we so often see that when it's a citizen shot down in forced entries - it's a good shoot until proven otherwise... but if it's an officer down, the LE community assumes the citizen is guilty. I'm not actually trying to extend debate on the matter. I wondered about your thoughts on the case, and you've provided them. I cannot speak for others… but i dont hate cops, Curt. I hate thin blue lines, cover ups. I hate the mentality we so often see that when it’s a citizen shot down in forced entries - it’s a good shoot until proven otherwise… but if it’s an officer down, the LE community assumes the citizen is guilty.

I’m not actually trying to extend debate on the matter. I wondered about your thoughts on the case, and you’ve provided them.

]]> By: Curt http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75807 Curt Thu, 29 May 2008 05:32:14 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75807 <blockquote>Given all of this - and given your statement above regarding when you would choose to shoot - would she have been justified in shooting back?</blockquote> If she thought we were criminals then of course she would be justified. Everything comes down to state of mind. As my post five days later stated, if these cops were found to be crooked (which they ultimately were) I would want them put away for good. <blockquote>I suspect you would say no… that only police have the right to defend themselves with deadly force. Citizens don’t have this right, even if they’re attempting to defend themselves against criminal cops.</blockquote> Retarded. As I have stated on my blog before, I am a huge 2nd amendment proponent and believe if everyone was able to have a ccw (given training of course) there would be less crime. But you know what I suspect? You trolls are just cop haters looking for an outlet on a post two years old.

Given all of this - and given your statement above regarding when you would choose to shoot - would she have been justified in shooting back?

If she thought we were criminals then of course she would be justified. Everything comes down to state of mind. As my post five days later stated, if these cops were found to be crooked (which they ultimately were) I would want them put away for good.

I suspect you would say no… that only police have the right to defend themselves with deadly force. Citizens don’t have this right, even if they’re attempting to defend themselves against criminal cops.

Retarded.

As I have stated on my blog before, I am a huge 2nd amendment proponent and believe if everyone was able to have a ccw (given training of course) there would be less crime.

But you know what I suspect? You trolls are just cop haters looking for an outlet on a post two years old.

]]> By: thorn http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75766 thorn Thu, 29 May 2008 04:47:22 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75766 There wasn't a drug buy at the house. The warrant was obtained by lying. Strictly speaking, the entire raid was an illegal entry and gross violation of civil rights. The people shooting at Ms. Johnston had no right to be there; in fact, their actions were criminal. They had no legal right to be shooting at her. Given all of this - and given your statement above regarding when you would choose to shoot - would she have been justified in shooting back? I suspect you would say no... that only police have the right to defend themselves with deadly force. Citizens don't have this right, even if they're attempting to defend themselves against criminal cops. If my suspicion is wrong, please let me know. There wasn’t a drug buy at the house. The warrant was obtained by lying. Strictly speaking, the entire raid was an illegal entry and gross violation of civil rights. The people shooting at Ms. Johnston had no right to be there; in fact, their actions were criminal. They had no legal right to be shooting at her.

Given all of this - and given your statement above regarding when you would choose to shoot - would she have been justified in shooting back?

I suspect you would say no… that only police have the right to defend themselves with deadly force. Citizens don’t have this right, even if they’re attempting to defend themselves against criminal cops.

If my suspicion is wrong, please let me know.

]]> By: Curt http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75747 Curt Thu, 29 May 2008 04:10:17 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75747 Yeah, thats what bloggers do. They update the same post for weeks at a time. Retarded. Go read the one I pointed you too and you can get my take on it. There is a search button on the blog just for that purpose. And he didn't say update....he said he couldn't find a single post after this one. To answer your question. Someone shoots at me, I'm shooting back. Yeah, thats what bloggers do. They update the same post for weeks at a time. Retarded.

Go read the one I pointed you too and you can get my take on it. There is a search button on the blog just for that purpose.

And he didn’t say update….he said he couldn’t find a single post after this one.

To answer your question. Someone shoots at me, I’m shooting back.

]]> By: buzz http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75742 buzz Thu, 29 May 2008 04:04:34 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75742 he looked for the update on this post as would be logical to do. You know, like you did with updates I, II and III. So I went to your new post on this and found "But I am withholding judgement for now since I know, from personal experience, how informants can become quite skittish and outright lie when it looks like their names will be found out." Which explains the title of the post "The 92 year old criminal". "But I tell you what. If I have someone, ANYONE shooting at me, I WILL fire back at them. I will not take a bullet and be put six feet under just because the shooter is a 92 year old women. No effin way." Which, in this context means that if you mistake one home for another and break into the wrong house on a no knock raid and wake up a 92 year old woman who justifiable believes her home is being invaded by criminals (as she knows she has done nothing to cause the law to break in and there is a pattern of criminals posing as cops on home invasions, assuming you actually announce yourself) who defends herself, family and home, you will kill them. And this is acceptable because......Hey! Your job is dangerous! Look over here at a unrelated story where someone kills a cop! Forget about the sloppy police work and disregard for public safety in the 92 year old criminal story. So back to the above readers question: Any kind of update on this story? Here where the other updates are? he looked for the update on this post as would be logical to do. You know, like you did with updates I, II and III. So I went to your new post on this and found “But I am withholding judgement for now since I know, from personal experience, how informants can become quite skittish and outright lie when it looks like their names will be found out.” Which explains the title of the post “The 92 year old criminal”.
“But I tell you what. If I have someone, ANYONE shooting at me, I WILL fire back at them. I will not take a bullet and be put six feet under just because the shooter is a 92 year old women. No effin way.” Which, in this context means that if you mistake one home for another and break into the wrong house on a no knock raid and wake up a 92 year old woman who justifiable believes her home is being invaded by criminals (as she knows she has done nothing to cause the law to break in and there is a pattern of criminals posing as cops on home invasions, assuming you actually announce yourself) who defends herself, family and home, you will kill them. And this is acceptable because……Hey! Your job is dangerous! Look over here at a unrelated story where someone kills a cop! Forget about the sloppy police work and disregard for public safety in the 92 year old criminal story. So back to the above readers question: Any kind of update on this story? Here where the other updates are?

]]> By: Curt http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75693 Curt Thu, 29 May 2008 02:44:16 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75693 <blockquote>The reason I ask is because I can’t find a single post about this case after you posted this. Not that it matters, the old lady deserved what she got!</blockquote> Oh really? Didn't look to hard huh.....I wonder why. http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/28/the-92-year-old-criminal-updat/ Posted FIVE days after the post you linked to. Awesome research skills man....just awesome.

The reason I ask is because I can’t find a single post about this case after you posted this. Not that it matters, the old lady deserved what she got!

Oh really? Didn’t look to hard huh…..I wonder why.

http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/28/the-92-year-old-criminal-updat/

Posted FIVE days after the post you linked to.

Awesome research skills man….just awesome.

]]> By: thorn http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75682 thorn Thu, 29 May 2008 02:31:39 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-75682 So, Curt... Now that nearly the entire incident has been deemed a lie and cover-up by the narcotics unit - any current thoughts on the situation? So, Curt…

Now that nearly the entire incident has been deemed a lie and cover-up by the narcotics unit - any current thoughts on the situation?

]]> By: Miggs http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-74990 Miggs Wed, 28 May 2008 15:47:34 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-74990 The reason I ask is because I can't find a single post about this case after you posted this. Not that it matters, the old lady deserved what she got! The reason I ask is because I can’t find a single post about this case after you posted this. Not that it matters, the old lady deserved what she got!

]]> By: Miggs http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-74988 Miggs Wed, 28 May 2008 15:39:23 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-74988 originally = original originally = original

]]> By: Miggs http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-74986 Miggs Wed, 28 May 2008 15:38:44 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-74986 Hey Curt, can we get an update on this story? Has anything major transpired in this case since your originally post? Hey Curt, can we get an update on this story? Has anything major transpired in this case since your originally post?

]]> By: The Agitator » Blog Archive » Failing Upward: New Frontiers in Scalia’s “New Professionalism” http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-74926 The Agitator » Blog Archive » Failing Upward: New Frontiers in Scalia’s “New Professionalism” Wed, 28 May 2008 14:34:05 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-74926 [...] Police defenders and critics of mine were quick to jump on Dreher’s statements to show that I and others were “jumping the gun” in questioning the raid. After all, if the police said they did a buy, they did a buy. If the police say they announced, then they announced. If they police infer that this 92-year-old woman was a dope dealing criminal who got what she deserved, well, then she sure as hell got what she deserved. [...] [...] Police defenders and critics of mine were quick to jump on Dreher’s statements to show that I and others were “jumping the gun” in questioning the raid. After all, if the police said they did a buy, they did a buy. If the police say they announced, then they announced. If they police infer that this 92-year-old woman was a dope dealing criminal who got what she deserved, well, then she sure as hell got what she deserved. [...]

]]> By: Gypsee4258 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-1905 Gypsee4258 Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:35:09 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-1905 I live in Atlanta and am a white upper middle class woman. I think it is an outrage that she was killed. I have read more and more in the news paper here. I think the judge should be more aware of what they are doing when signing a no knock warrent. They are to freely signed and to freely written. A law officer has access to who is living in a house . If more care was taken then this awfol shooting would not have happened. I feel it is time that the officers and the judges take responsibility for their actions and be held accountable for them. I live in Atlanta and am a white upper middle class woman. I think it is an outrage that she was killed. I have read more and more in the news paper here.
I think the judge should be more aware of what they are doing when signing a no knock warrent. They are to freely signed and to freely written.
A law officer has access to who is living in a house . If more care was taken then this awfol shooting would not have happened.
I feel it is time that the officers and the judges take responsibility for their actions and be held accountable for them.

]]> By: lightning_fast_draw http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-1892 lightning_fast_draw Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:23:16 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-1892 The problem libertarians have with the killing of a 92 year old woman is not with the police, its with the entire incident. The police have no choice but to assume that the person on the other side of the door is a violent criminal. The homeowner has only seconds to decide whether or not to defend themselves. Guilty or innocent, if they decide to defend themselves chances are they'll be shot to death. This is all over a non-violent crime. The war on drugs is a proven failure. It is not law enforcement that should be questioned but the law itself. These types of incidents happen far too often. The problem libertarians have with the killing of a 92 year old woman is not with the police, its with the entire incident. The police have no choice but to assume that the person on the other side of the door is a violent criminal. The homeowner has only seconds to decide whether or not to defend themselves. Guilty or innocent, if they decide to defend themselves chances are they’ll be shot to death. This is all over a non-violent crime.
The war on drugs is a proven failure. It is not law enforcement that should be questioned but the law itself. These types of incidents happen far too often.

]]> By: allen29palms http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-1893 allen29palms Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:23:16 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-1893 Thank you for the response Curt, as his handle should have been the first clue, let alone the first sentence of this hogwash utopian/anarchist/moonbeam spew. Just what friggin planet or parallel universe do some people grow-up/live in? My first inclination upon reading this was rebuttal, but then someone much smarter than me once said: "When you argue with a fool you become one!" The worst part being, that there are lots of these knuckleheads out there, and it seems to be catching. Now I know what it's like to watch a good percentage of society doing a headlong plunge into oblivion. And try as you might, you can't even save them from themselves! Lemmings, just plain friggin' lemmings! Thank you for the response Curt, as his handle should have been the first clue, let alone the first sentence of this hogwash utopian/anarchist/moonbeam spew. Just what friggin planet or parallel universe do some people grow-up/live in? My first inclination upon reading this was rebuttal, but then someone much smarter than me once said: “When you argue with a fool you become one!” The worst part being, that there are lots of these knuckleheads out there, and it seems to be catching. Now I know what it’s like to watch a good percentage of society doing a headlong plunge into oblivion. And try as you might, you can’t even save them from themselves! Lemmings, just plain friggin’ lemmings!

]]> By: Curt http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-1894 Curt Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:23:16 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/11/23/the-92-year-old-criminal/#comment-1894 After reading your first sentence we all know you are one to be ignored. <blockquote>Atlanta police kill 92-year old woman in drug raid; on nothing more than a tip without evidence.</blockquote> They did a drug buy there Einstein. That's a bit more then a tip. And your allegation that the warrant is made up tags you as some paranoid schizo needing much medication. Get some help before you hurt someone. After reading your first sentence we all know you are one to be ignored.

Atlanta police kill 92-year old woman in drug raid; on nothing more than a tip without evidence.

They did a drug buy there Einstein. That’s a bit more then a tip. And your allegation that the warrant is made up tags you as some paranoid schizo needing much medication.

Get some help before you hurt someone.

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